They were discussing everything from embroidery that contained profanity, the importance of family, music, theatre, creativity, the first world war and how, in a world before the internet, a French kiss came as unexpected and entirely unpleasant experience for a teenage boy not familiar with such things. And I laughed a lot.
Then Elton John went on to talk about how unexpected it was to find himself, a lad from a council estate, bopping along politely with the Queen at Andrew's 21st where he had been invited to sing.
And it struck me, rather powerfully, that change happens first in a blaze of publicity and then just builds in incremental bits and the once unbelievable becomes perfectly everyday.
Growing up the eternally entertaining paparazzi darlings Elton John, Ellen deGeneres, Neil Patrick Harris would not have had role models like the ones they are today. Talented, charming, on the TV, in magazines, all over the place.
Successful. Beloved. Married. Parents.
|Doogie Howser is a Dad. The world does change|
Even when I was in high school in the 1980s I wouldn't have confidently named a single gay person - either in my circle or in celebrityland (unless you counted poor 'dead because he was gay' Freddie Mercury). And when Ian Roberts came out - oh my! He can't be! He plays football.
It was always news... and now - so many people are gay and yes, it still does continue to be part of the story because we are still on a journey - it's not news. Not news at all. They are just a fabulous roll call of people we hear about everyday. Every single day.
Matthew Mitcham. Alex Greenwich. Ruby Rose. Chaz Bono. Bob Brown. Tom Ballard. Penny Wong. Michael Kirby. Daniel Kowalski. Ricky Martin. Jodie Foster. Justin Fashanu. Tim Campbell. Dolce and Gabbana. Armani. Tracey Chapman. Melissa Etheridge. Pedro Almodovar. Queen Latifah. Matt Branson. Martina Navratilova. Tim Gunn. Sir Ian Mckellan. Kerryn Phelps.
And so many more.
That's before we talk about the people we know personally - the married couples. the parents, the friends. Lots and lots and lots of names.
The once unbelievable is now just the way it is. It does get better.
Are we there yet? No.
But I bet a young Lizzie never imagined a time when she'd be dancing with rock stars born on council estates. Those who fear change haven't even noticed it has already happened. The world is not as it was.